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Mr. JENNER. It is not familiar?
Mr. PIC. It could be it, though, I can probably find it on the map of Fort Worth if we still have got it because I remember that place real well. I was thrown out of there. Some people hold a grudge a long time. Sir, that is probably it, West Fifth Street, because the location West Fifth Street is probably about the same place.
Mr. JENNER. You said you were thrown out of there. I assume an incident occurred?
Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; I am getting to that.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mr. PIC. While we were staying there, I was traveling cross country and really didn't know where I was going or what time I would have to be there. We were waiting for our port call to know when we would have to be in San Francisco to catch our flight out of there, and so I had no idea how long I would be in Fort Worth, and so I made a phone call from there to Mitchel to try to find out, and didn't find out anything.
Then the Sunday that we were there--well, prior to this, when we arrived there the same day my brother Robert came over to see us. He was then working for a milk company, Borden's Milk Co., I believe. He was giving my mother free milk, all the extras that he had and so forth.
Mr. JENNER. This is the first time you had seen your brother Robert, I take it, since his visit to New York City, is that correct?
Mr. PIC. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. And that was a cordial reunion, was it?
Mr. PIC. Yes; it was.
Mr. JENNER. Was your mother working at that time?
Mr. PIC. She was working, sir, when we arrived there, at Cox, I believe, Department Store at the candy counter, I believe it was Cox, I know she was working at a candy counter.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mr. PIC. When we got there, my mother informed us she had no food in the house so my wife and I went and bought a whole bunch of groceries for our stay which we expected to do. I got in contact with some old friends, and they invited me over for Sunday dinner the following Sunday at their house, and being I was pressed for time I had another Sunday dinner invitation at my brother Robert's house. My mother was invited to this dinner.
Mr. JENNER. At your brother's?
Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. PIC. He then resided at 7313 Davenport Street, I believe. Well, it seems that my mother declined her part of the invitation, and was quite put out that my wife and I did not decline our part because she decided that we should spend Sunday dinner eating with her. So, my wife and I and two children drove off to my brother Robert's house to go eat. After we were there for about a half hour, she called us up and told me to come get our bags, that we would have to leave.
So, my wife and I, we left the kids at my brother Robert's because we knew there would be a big scene with all the trimmings, and we went back and we walked in, didn't say nothing, just packed up our bags and she was yelling and screaming reminding us about the time we threw her out of the apartment in New York and she was getting even with us for this when we threw her and Lee out.
I then informed her that I wanted nothing more to do with her and that every time she and my wife got together, that she had nothing but bad things to say about her. And I let her know that our relationship ends right then and there, and since that time, sir, I have not written her, talked to her, anything.
Mr. JENNER. Or seen her.
Mr. PIC. Or have seen her, except in magazines and stuff. She has sent me a bunch of junk in the mail. During this conversation when we was getting thrown out, I reminded her that she made nothing but trouble for us and especially my wife, she was always on my wife. And so I owed her a few dollars for the phone call I had made, so I gave her and this seemed to satisfy, well, probably accomplished what she set out to do, get some money off of me one way or the other. This I how I looked at it. This didn't upset her, after we left, after I gave her . So, we went to my brother Robert's, we ate, we stayed at their house until Tuesday morning, and we left and then went to Japan, sir.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Let's suspend for dinner.
Mr. PIC. Could I just add one thing, sir?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. PIC. While we were there, I was informed that Lee was in Japan.
Mr. JENNER. You were informed by your mother?
Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. And that we should see him when we get there.
Mr. JENNER. Were you advised as to where in Japan he was?
Mr. PIC. I was given his address, sir. After arriving there it was just a matter of a week or so I received a letter from my mother which I never acknowledged or maybe it was my brother, it was one of the two, saying Lee was traveling across the United States at the same time I was. He had left Japan before I arrived in Japan. I arrived in Japan 10 November 1958 and I don't know what date he left, sir. I never got to see him in Japan. This would probably be a good time to suspend.
Mr. JENNER. Before we do that, did you have any conversation with your brother about, your brother Robert about your brother Lee while you were there in 1958?
Mr. PIC. I think I may have let him know how Lee acted toward me. He didn't want nothing to do with me. The only things I heard about Lee was that he was in the Marine Corps and he liked it.
Mr. JENNER. Did your brother Robert say anything about having been in New Orleans before he came to Fort Worth?
Mr. PIC. He told me about a trip that he made to pick them up or something down there. They called him up one time and he drove down and got them and drove back all in the same trip.
Mr. JENNER. That must have been the time when they left New Orleans and came to Fort Worth.
Mr. PIC. Sir, in the testimony of Marilyn Murret, I am going to make a statement.
Mr. JENNER. What testimony of Marilyn Murret?
Mr. PIC. This is what I am going to tell you that prior to his defection she knew he was in Europe and everywhere that I read in here, no one knew he was going to Europe. She informed me before anyone knew he defected that he was in Europe.
Mr. JENNER. Who informed you?
Mr. PIC. Marilyn Murret in Japan. She was in Japan. She visited with me.
Mr. JENNER. All right. I will go into that right after dinner.
Mr. PIC. All right, sir.
Mr. JENNER. We will suspend until 7:30.
TESTIMONY OF JOHN EDWARD PIC RESUMED
The proceeding was reconvened at 7:55 p.m.
Mr. JENNER. When we adjourned for dinner you were telling us the incident in August, I believe it was 1958, when you visited your mother and your brother on your way to California on your assignment to Japan.
Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Would you read me the last answer of the witness, please?
Mr. JENNER. Marilyn Murret is your cousin?
Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.
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